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Taking Charge of Your Health


hello and welcome to another edition of
MedGeek TV, and today is a super special day. I’m super excited to bring this
woman on my show, doctor Nasha Winters. I have been a raving fan for 20
plus years she is a brilliant beyond brilliant naturopathic physician and her
specialty is integrative oncology and she wrote a fabulous book that we’re
going to talk about it’s called the Metabolic Approach to Cancer and it’s
not just about cancer it’s about the metabolic approach to health and we’ll
get into that in detail but she is one of those people that you just want to
know and so I am so grateful that she is here today and I have interviewed Nasha
a few times, I’ll be honest, but this time is so exciting because I feel like she
is on the brink of what she has been trying to accomplish for decades and she
has not only helped thousands of people and now millions of people and her reach
of what she’s gonna do with this new clinic that she’s putting together which
is so exciting and her book and training physicians is phenomenal. So you do not
want to miss this interview, so I would say pull up a chair get a pad of paper
and enjoy you are in for a treat. (we are recording) Hi Nasha how are you?
good to see you oh it’s so good to see you I am so excited to catch up with you
and see what’s going on in your life right now I want to say over and over
again I recommend this to all my clients and all my friends is this beautiful
book the metabolic approach to cancer that doctor Nasha wrote and the reason
I love it and there’s so many reasons I love it but it has all the things that
I’m super excited about so you talk about the microbiome you talk about epigenetics and nutrigenomics, diet and nutrition, and herbs and detoxification
it just the list goes on and on and so I feel like this book is not just about
cancer treatment but about whole metabolic health and I love that you the
way you approach cancer it’s you know these are the cells of our body and you
even dedicate this book to cancer as it’s a teacher for you. (right?) and that’s
so beautiful and so I wanted to ask you to share with with our listeners what
does it mean the metabolic approach to cancer? Sure well I mean first of all I
appreciate that very sweet intro and and I really love it you really highlight
to folks that even though cancer is in the title this book is really written
for anybody and everybody and it’s the culmination of 25 plus years of my own
journey of trying to figure out as one of my patients called it “Save your ass
University” you know putting it all together and then I was blessed enough
to have my co-author Jess Higgins Kelly she worked with me in my clinic for a
period times she got to see it in action she also came and did some
co-facilitating facilitating of our retreats for many years, so she got to
also be in the deep immersion intimate connections of it all as well and then
she herself was an amazing writer and an amazing nutritionist so it was a really
lovely and evolution of me wanting to get this
book out for so long but frankly needing the help to make it happen so I really
want to give a big shout-out to her contribution to all of this of kind of
like bringing my words and my experience to life and really helping pull it all
together in a really beautiful way. So we’re excited we have another “baby” book
coming out which we’ll talk about in the next section of our talk today, but that
being said the metabolic approach to health to life to prevention to cancer
to chronic illness however we want to phrase this, is about taking a very
natural process within each and every one of our cells that has gotten really
off track in the last you know 100 to 150 years which is this concept
of the energy fuel source the preferential energy that our body uses
to drive this vehicle down the road. Okay So I always kind of give a little bit of
a the concept that we’re really built to be hybrid engines were just like a
human Prius and with that being said you know we were from the beginning of time
never meant to eat from sunrise to sundown and everything in between. We
were to have moments of feast and famine We did not have the types of chemical
exposures or the farming and agricultural practices that we have today
We went from five pounds of sugar per person per year in 1850 to over a
hundred and seventy five pounds of sugar per person per year today these are the
big changes that happened in a short period of time and that changed our
metabolic “motors” and when I talk about metabolic to get really specific down
into each and every one of our cells, we have these little organelles within each
cell called the mitochondria. Now many of you recall from probably grade school
biology the “mighty mitochondria” and we were just sort of taught these little
creatures were like the factory of energy in our body right? (yeah) That’s how
it that’s like that’s a part of the equation of what mitochondria are
important for, very important for actually because you can’t function
without energy within your body right? And and our body
will absolutely take and use up whatever we throw at it and turn it into energy
it’s just sort of, (you know) It will just gobble it up it, sort of like goats
eating your compost, but also the garbage and your t-shirt, like whatever they have
access to, they will eat. That is what the mitochondria does. So it’s completely reliant on what
we feed it, our thoughts, our food, water, our air, what’s in our soil. All of those
things go through and filter through the mitochondria to help produce energy. And
when we’re giving it the right balance of nutrients from those sources I just
talked about those little factories are very efficient and effective and very
vital and actually make more little factories. But when we start to throw a
lot of garbage into the mix, they become a little depleted they become a little
lazy, they become a little congested and inefficient and they make less energy
and then over time they die off and we don’t have as many of those factories as
are needed and and as we all naturally age we make less and less of those
factories over time but we’re aging ourselves very quickly at a very young
age now in a way that we haven’t ever seen in human evolution. So when I’m
talking about metabolic approach to health and wellness it’s about how can
we optimize the fuel source that we’re feeding those little powerhouses and how
can we change those outcomes and that’s part of the equation but we’ll dive into
a little bit more here in a moment. I love that, that explanation thank you
honey You know and one thing is I wanted to
interview you again and again and again is because I see you as you know the
ultimate health hero because you as all of us we have health crises that we have
to overcome right and your dance has been with
cancer itself and so can you take us down that road a little bit of when you
were first diagnosed and how you faced that challenge? Yeah and you know writing
this book it was sort of a reflection on where it all began for me which was and
in many ways in vitro right? Coming into being a body that came into
existence that planted my seed, after a loss of a child
previous to me, so the fear and the loss of the container, known as my mother,
definitely had an effect on the way I was gestated, you know how I was
“brewed” in there, because I’m sure when you’ve had such a significant loss that
you’re gonna be terrified of experiencing that again, so it’s hard to
separate that out. So you know I want I tell that part of the stories that
people recognize me come into this world not just on our own, but with the people
that came before us. In fact the study of epigenetics today shows that we are
impacted by even upwards of four generations above us and their
experience of trauma and loss and war and famine which makes our metabolic
machinery behave a little bit differently in subsequent generations so
I had that. I had an environment of being raised in environment of a lot of
stressors and, in fact one of the chapters in our book on the mental
emotional side detail about a concept known as the ACE score, adverse childhood events, and so with an ace score for every yes on that quite 10 question you
have you have a 10 to 20 percent increased risk of chronic illness and
cancer and mental illness in your adulthood. So there’s 10 questions about
exposures you would have had before the age of 18 and when we go through… anybody can go online and look at the ACE score questionnaire and download that and
answer that for themselves, but basically just to give a little transparencies
well I had a YES on all 10 of those things before I was 18 years old that
also set a “terrain”… you know I was super sick as a kid I had major
digestive issues I was allergic to everything it was funny that we never
thought it would be a good idea to put me on breast milk my mom didn’t have the
milk resources but we also at a time in the 70s breast milk, breastfeeding wasn’t
a thing we weren’t doing breast banks we weren’t doing you know breast doulas
you know we weren’t doing those types of things so that was this place where they
threw me immediately on to the one that I could tolerate which was soy milk that
really set the pace for a lot of my other health issues which is
demonstrating at 9 years old, all kinds of other GI issues
endometriosis, polycystic ovarian syndrome. With all these patterns well
before I was even a teenager had taken root, so I had a very sick terrain from
the start.. okay? I’d give that background because every
single patient I see with cancer will say to me when I was healthy until I got
cancer…right?… I will tell you in my psychology that being told you have
cancer in nineteen, almost twenty at that time.. By the time they actually had the
official diagnosis I was moving through my 19th year into my 20th year. I was
still shocked because I still thought I had been “healthy” all those years. Because
we just start to learn to just sort of tolerate the Intolerable within
ourselves physically, mentally, emotionally ,and spiritually. And so by
the time the actual diagnosis came to me it was actually at a place in my life
where I wasn’t certain if I wanted to be here anymore.
And to me cancer was the ignition you know the it was like the the key in the
ignition to wake things up and did really help me root in to decide I need
to be here, this is what I want to do this is what I came here to do so now in
retrospect looking back I recognized I had created quite a fertile soil for
chronic illness and disease and in particular cancer and my life’s work
now is to help other people illuminate into the darkness and into the garden of
themselves to recognize that “this has been a long time coming and it doesn’t happen
overnight it’s not like you’d go to bed without cancer and wake up the next
morning with it. It takes years, if not decades to come to fruition. So that is
what my living experience has been is to help people understand them “why” and then understand how to change that. So it’s very much about helping people
understand their entire journey and to recognize it’s not linear. okay?.. and that
we can, at any time, change the trajectory. Yes, and I remember when I first spoke
with you about your cancer journey how you talked about the emotional part like
actually fasting from relationships not just fasting from food right and it’s
all so intertwined which is so beautiful and you also mention that
at any given time we all have cancer cells in our body they’re just part of
us. Exactly and so if we remember that we remember that it’s not the enemy but
it’s not something outside of us that invades us, it’s actually something
that is us and it’s trying to be a messenger and it is trying to ignite or
shine light in a part of ourselves that we are unaware of and so we have spent
what… since the war declared on cancer, since 1971 we are you looking at this as
the enemy that must be destroyed and we have the “Run for the Cure” and the battle
cries and the whole sort of even the way we have conceptualized cancer in our
modern paradigm today is one of, we must attack and kill the invader ideology. And
yet it’s not a surprise to me that we haven’t made that much change and the
outcomes of cancer diagnosis and survival rates in over 50 years simply
because we are attacking the very core of what this disease is we are attacking
ourselves we are literally disconnecting from ourselves even further in most case situations with a cancer diagnosis or any chronic illness for that matter and
ironically where we started this conversation about the metabolic piece
of all of this is that the type of tools we use today to treat a standard of care
approach to cancer actually makes that metabolic process even worse, (okay) This
is not to discredit or to negate Western medicine at all (okay) this is to say that
we can do better and we can do things in addition to.. so even if we choose to
bring on cytotoxic reducing treatments such as chemotherapy, radiation, targeted
therapies, surgery… we need to do so a little more finesse it was a little more
concept of knowing how to sort of rebuild while we’re moving you know that
same concept we’re now in Western medicine we just sort like “napalm” it all
down and hope and pray something’s left behind at the end and hope and pray
that if you are lucky enough to have a remission by doing just standard of care
that you won’t be the 70% of people that will have a
recurrence that is often much more aggressive and much more difficult to
push back. So my hope and the work that I’ve learned for myself and thousands
and thousands of others is that you can have an elegant balance of both. That we
can restore the organism back to a place of optimal health while removing the
burden that’s there. And that burden only showed up because we allowed it to, on a
different level… it’s not that it was our fault…
but things have cumulate over time in our “buckets” ..if you will, in our “metabolic
bucket” Yeah, that’s beautiful. You talk a lot in the book about and I know you’re
a big proponent of the ketogenic diet and you know being keto adapted can you
tell me a little bit of what is a ketogenic diet? Sure, sure. So going back
to that concept of us being a hybrid engine specifically the fuel sources
that our cells will preferentially use to help our container keep moving is
sugar from carbohydrates, or fat from quality fat. okay? And if we have excess
protein that can also convert into sugar into something a concept called
gluconeogenesis. So our food and all the information we take in is exactly as I
said fuel sources for the mitochondria for the metabolic state. So one of the
things up until we started to process sugar and flour in the 1850s is that we
were all naturally going into ketosis just from finishing dinner and breaking
your past 13 or 14 hours later for breakfast you’d be in a low-grade state
of ketosis we were all metabolically flexible enough at that time so that if
there were times of you know a poor harvest year for instance or a terrible
flood took out your crop, or some disease took away your livestock, or it
was a poor year being around drought or what not, so you didn’t have
access to good hunting….things like that we had to be able to go for days on end
without food and we needed to have our ability to think clearly to keep
ourselves alive in order to search for that next meal and there’s also just
different times naturally in human where we have our seasons where there
are certain times of the year where food is abundant and there are sometimes near
where food is very def deficient and you have to be able to switch biochemically
and physiologically into a state that frankly keeps you alive until you can
get to that next feast. Today we live in a feast mode, we have… we’ve got a
brick on the accelerator pedal of carbohydrates and we are driving in that
mode and on our bodies have forgotten our psychology has forgotten and our
culture has forgotten that being hungry is not bad it’s not dangerous and that
going past a certain amount of time without food actually switches us into
that hybrid engine where we are actually very clear, very present, very like
efficient in our way of thinking and feeling and finding our next source and
so that stage when you have burned off that excess glucose moves you into a
fat-burning stage which releases these little bodies called ketone bodies and
these are the guys that are interestingly enough our mitochondria
will use more effectively and efficiently and actually produce more
ATP, more final product energy at the end of the day it’s like the glucose is sort
of just the fast fix okay yeah well we can all make do here, but when we
actually move into fat burning, it becomes a transformational fix, that
actually creates more energy and more sustained energy in the body as a whole
and so that’s the place where historically we all naturally got into
that state of being but we’re so far from that natural rhythm of ourselves
that we now have to kind of force it again (okay) and that might be with
fasting okay that might be with restrict caloric restriction that might be with
even exogenous ketone supplementation and very rare situations where warranted
and it might be an eating a very preferential preferentially high high
percentage of your diet as quality fat intake and extremely low carbohydrate
intake there’s multiple ways to kind of reset that metabolic engine and
tones ketone bodies ketone diet ketogenic diet are a really powerful way
to do just that and what we have found in you know we started using this diet
in the 1920s as a means of treating severe childhood epilepsy and it lost
favor when the pharmaceutical industry put out a medication in the 1940s that
basically it was much easier for people to pop a pill versus continue a way of
eating a way of life and ironically over all years to study still show the diet
has always still worked better than the pill ever did …and so that’s some way
that our culture is set us up for failure in the realms of
eating this way as well because we have a lot of industries driving this a lot
of belief systems a lot of self-limiting belief systems around i….”you don’t
want to feel hunger”, “you should never go hungry” and you should eat something every 2 to 3 hours …That is like a place of panic, and when we’re in that place of
panic our bodies can’t heal other things it’s putting all the energy into
basically finding and feeding finding and feeding and then digesting and so we
don’t have the break we need to take out the garbage which is a concept called
autophagy or “otophagy” depending “tomato- tomahto”
and so we don’t take out the garbage anymore, we just accumulate, accumulate,
accumulate, accumulate which given now that about seventy percent the American
population is a morbidly obese you can visually see that we’ve accumulated a
lot and for those of us if you’re walking around looking like normal body
types we can also have these lovely sort of fat blogs around our organs so we
call those “skinny fat” people but you can’t guess anymore you can’t just look
at someone and guess their metabolic flexibility. You can’t guess their health
you just can’t… so today we have to really teach people how to “test, assess
and address” their own terrain and to practice the state of becoming a hybrid
engine again and it may be worthwhile to help them get into a state of ketosis to
get to that optimal place. I love that you brought up that you know the history
of this because I mean this is all ancestral medicine right like the
detoxification protocols and all of that dietary and fasting and you know?…and knowing that the ketogenic diet was historically used
with great benefits are there more studies coming up or in your field are
people utilizing this for cancer therapy or have you noticed anything like that?
Good question, you know it’s amazing because now a couple of times a year
there are multiple conferences worldwide one is called Keto-Con which is
sort of like the Comic Con Comic Con world of bringing all’s from the
ketogenic enthusiasts together at first it was sort of like a kind of
CrossFit Haven but now it’s become in the last several years much more based
in scientific evidence much more of both clinicians and researchers coming to
present their data as well as it being an incredible place to highlight new
information new products new ways of testing new ways of sort of biohacking
as well as in foods that are becoming available to this lifestyle okay so
there’s that side then there’s a bunch of conferences like low-carb USA which
they have all over the United States they’ve got the big one twice a year one
in Florida one in San Diego I’ll be person to know in San Diego in August
or excuse me, July, but they have those as well as the universe Low-Carb Universe, so they
are having these ongoing kind of conversations of bringing together the
best of the minds of the clinical folks working at the bedside as well as the
folks working at the bench the researchers all right so we’re all
coming together and then also what’s really come out this will be the fourth
year coming up here in January 2020 is the metabolic Health Summit which is
very much about all of the research and all of the different sort of avenues in
which a ketogenic diet or ketones or ketone bodies can treat chronic illness
so for instance at the metabolic conference you’ll have an entire arm on
just obesity you’ll have an entire arm just on diabetes an entire arm just on
neurological disorders that might include Alzheimer’s but also autism ADD
mental emotional issues and also things like cancer and cardiovascular disease
and even in like chronic injury especially things like chronic brain
injury so it’s really cool to see that the research
to explode all over the place and that an example is that right now when you do
a search engines and you see what are the most sought-after topics the top
three right now are intermittent fasting ketogenic diet and cannabis right? Your there right… It’s interesting because an interesting side note on cannabis which
I think Steve will be talking to you about in the next discussion is that if
you have a high omega-6 ratio which is the ratio of fatty acids that are from
our standard American diet from a crappy way of eating and from vegan vegetarian
diets predominantly and from eating poorly processed foods then you have
also it’s too high omega-6 is in too low of Omega threes guess what your
endocannabinoid system is off the grid when that happens so you have to even
have a proper functioning omega-6 to omega-3 ratio good quality fats to tone
your own internal endocannabinoid system and if you’re going to use that plant
medicine to have a good outcome or a good benefit from using that medicine
you’re sitting around eating Wendy’s and smoking a doobie you are adding
insult to injury in fact that’s where we end up with all the psychoses living in
the ER yo so good fun little side note there but he’s interesting in either the
last several years those are the topics of interest worldwide in the highest
sought out information and it’s also looking that
the ketogenic lifestyle in world of medicine research treatment products etc
is a three trillion dollar industry is what they’re anticipating by 2020 by the
end of 2020 so it’s here to stay guys because money will also change the
industry so these are some mentioning things to consider but specifically when
you ask about for cancer there are currently in the United States alone 21
clinical trials on ketogenic diets for cancer that’s just happening right now
that doesn’t even count what’s been down the pipeline already and it doesn’t
count what’s happening worldwide that’s just what’s going on currently in the
United States with 21 research trials and then what’s really cool people like
dr. Adrian Scheck who is a brilliant brain cancer research
at she was at Barrow Neurological she’s now with the Phoenix Children’s Hospital
but she’s been able to show along with other researchers that ketone bodies
impact directly all ten hallmarks of cancer and we talked about the ten
hallmarks of cancer in our book but they’re basically what how a cancer cell
behaves differently from a healthy cell and and a lot of people think that a
ketogenic diet is just simply going to starve the glucose that feeds the cancer
but it’s far more elegant and sophisticated than that so I would look
up you know just even Google ten hallmarks of cancer to see that Wow
ketone bodies address every one of those we do not have a pharmaceutical on the
planet that addresses all ten at once and I can’t even make it one that it
might address one two or three at a time so that’s pretty profound. That is amazing
and I know you talk in the book too about mistletoe therapy is there a place
where you don’t have to go into a huge but is there a place where people could
learn more about mistletoe? Absolutely, so of course in the book
there’s a little bit of information and then also I’m on a medical board on an
advisory board with a company or organization called Believe Big and this
is based on a young woman’s incredible story of overcoming a terminal very
genetic driven colorectal cancer at a very young age with young children that
was basically given no chance and mistletoe therapy was sort of
recommended to her by several people in her world that she brought on board and
she just had her 11th year of her mission and thanks to her experience she
was able to convince her team at Johns Hopkins including her at that time
primary oncologist she’s now the head of solid tumor oncology at Memorial
sloan-kettering so these are you know very notable physicians clinicians as
well that are also interested in the research that we’re willing to help her
and her organization basically spearhead and fund a trial on mistletoe at Johns
Hopkins. It’s ironic in that there’s well over 2,500 established clinical
trials worldwide on this in fact if you’re a cancer patient in Europe
especially in Germany, Austria, France, Switzerland Switzerland you’ve about an
eighty five percent of the time you will use mistletoe at some point of your cancer journey I have a really good colleague dr.
Gellman who’s the head of pediatric oncology the largest hospital in San
Paulo Brazil who uses mistletoe with all of his pediatric oncology patients and
then in Southeast Asia and India… India now has mistletoe as part of the medical
healthcare system it is part of the free care for the patients there it’s like
it was part of the medical system and they’re moving to make that happen in
other parts of Southeast Asia as well so it’s something that’s actually been
around for well over a hundred years at this point but it’s an extract from a
semi parasitic plant that grows in trees and and has shown these lectins
these particular polysaccharides in there in its extraction that has really
interesting anti-cancer properties but also lowers and angiogenesis lowers
inflammation increases a sense of well-being which we now believe to be
that it raises natural endorphin levels as well as up regulates or endocannabinoid
system okay so these are some very powerful aspects of a medicine that’s
been around and in the field of oncology today the most fast growing and most
studied and the most money being funneled into the research area is on immuno-therapies so a lot of people hear about the checkpoint inhibitors,
keytruda, opdivo, ctla4 inhibitors these are today’s modern medicines and
the you know therapies and yet we have had a very potent immunotherapy around
for over a hundred years that has incredibly safe profile very low cost
and is a very powerful way to enhance all outcomes and to enhance all
therapies for patients undergoing cancer treatment. That is amazing, and you know
your book is so beautifully written the way it’s laid out with the terrain ten
it’s so easy to read are you then writing more books, coming up?
So Jess and I , you know in one of these we did with what we built upon was so this book
was birthed out of an experience of over 250 patients that Steve and I
facilitated through cancer retreats all right and we would sort of give them as
would say it was like sipping water out of the fire hydrants after a four-day
immersion with us and they’re like you have got to write this stuff down into a
book that’s why it was great to have someone like Jesse, who could help me take all of
that information and organize it in a beautiful fashion and really help me
bring it to life okay but basically what we sort of help people understand is
that you know there’s no one cause or one cure for cancer each of us you can
take ten women at the same age same demographic with the same diagnosis of
breast cancer and realize that they all have ten different reasons of why we
have that diagnosis and ten different ways in which would be the most
appropriate way to treat it and so part of that is the exploration of these ten
main patterns that I have found that affected me, as well as thousands and
thousands of other patients I’ve had the pleasure of working with for over a
quarter century where we test assess and address the ten items is sort of built
in that metabolic mitochondrial bucket so that’s things you mentioned earlier
like our epigenetics so what we was passed down before us that came through
us we might have been dealt that hand of cards but we play them as we choose right
and then we have things like the dysglycemia I mentioned how sugar has sort of taken over and push the gas pedal on sugar burning versus fat burning that’s
that dysglycemia, when one in three Americans are expected to have diabetes
by 2020 it’s just around a corner folks okay I think it’s actually higher than
that does that means already diagnoseable diabetes not pre-diabetes
which basically means within four to five years
you two will join the club diabetes Club which is not a club you
want to join. And number three is toxicant exposure to you guys mmm 16,000 plus
chemicals that we’ve had introduced to the world since the 1960’s of which less
than 200 have been properly tested every day we’re starting to realize oops that
was probably that idea okay and we’re starting to also realize the cumulative
effect not just one of them by themselves as a problem but when you put
them all in a soup together that’s when it’s a problem. Microbiome, we mentioned
inflammation immune system angiogenesis circulation also things like our stress
hormone response and our circadian rhythms are hormone balance and how we
metabolize the hormones we’re exposed to as well as our mental emotional health
those 10 pieces need to be looked at very much in depth at the beginning of
our book we have a 10 part 10 questions to each part questionnaire so patients
can start there, do their own sort of audit and see what the priority may be
it might be one it might be ten most of us have two or three that are sort of
the priority and the encouraging news is that no matter where you start you’re
going to impact the whole right so that’s what you know just in thinking
that that sort of bucket metaphor when we start to look inside the bucket and
realize what’s swimming around in there we can start to change it and even if
you have all ten of your terrain ten issues are a hot mess anywhere you start
it’s going to start to serve purified what goes into that bucket and change
the outcomes. Yeah, that is beautiful and so are you then gonna start some
programs with educating practitioners is that kind of on the horizon? Yeah you
know, for many years I had a private clinical practice that it was very very
successful very busy I sold that in 2014 and moved into at that time I was just
going to be kind of consulting with patients I actually took a break from
seeing patients for two years so I could study more and get out there and travel
to clinics all over the world that we’re having really different outcomes cancer
diagnosis and outcomes of survival rates and different tools that were just not
exposed to here in the United States so during that time I had a couple of other
colleagues I had worked closely with and really trained them in my methodology
and the way I think about an approach each and every unique individual with a
diagnosis of cancer and so I had them helping me out in the interim of that
while I kind of went out and explored and dug deeper into the world around me
now I open that my practice for a short period of time so I wanted to keep
myself fresh but with the information and how to still apply it but also
ironically patients where they started and learn about me and my history I
didn’t share my history when I was in private practice because it was very
different when you’re in a private practice you have a lot more kind of
walls around you what you can say and do with your patients would have to follow
so lots of standard of care futures so I did not want people to say
well I’m gonna do what she did and I’ll be okay so I kept my story very private
to myself is what I did or didn’t do with regards to my own cancer diagnosis
but when I moved into the consulting world one of the things that I was sort
of coached to do is tell my story really get it out there I’ll tell you that was
terrifying it’s still terrifying it always still throws me off I don’t
really like to talk about it because I don’t associate myself as a cancer
patient okay I just see myself as being on a continuum of health and vitality
continuum okay and so and it’s nonlinear as I said earlier so that is just my
paradigm of thinking but when I got out there into a year of opening up my
practice and saying how see a few folks I thought I’d see a couple a month it
was like the door got kicked down the floodgates opened and within an eight
month period of time I saw over 460 new clients and that wore on my bucket okay
my mitochondria took a beating I love this work but I realized it was not
scalable or sustainable at the way I was doing it and so from that I realized I
had to really train the trainers I had to really switch because I could give
these patients these amazing assessments we did all the testing we did the
assessment we did the addressing we told them exactly what they need to do next.
take this to your health care provider and have them run with it
The bottleneck was the health care provider. Patients are savvy like I said
to save your ass University, they’re out there and they’re like I got it I know
what end you do I just need your help doing it then no one was out there to heed
the call. So that’s where I had to back up and change gears and now right now
I’m working on specifically just one-on-one consults with doctor to know how to asses, address and test there own patients, and
my experience so far is that each time I do one of these consultations I do,
I use that as an opportunity to educate them to know how to help multitude of
patients in their practice so they might see this one person but it’s the
information that helps hopefully dozens that’s been the feedback I’ve gotten so
far and I will tell you this in opening the doors to that since the beginning of
2019 I’m already almost maxing out that so what that has showed me is yet again
our scalability is the key how can I take this information and package it in
a way to really teach the methodology so I’m starting a very intimate sort of
internship, mentorship with a handful of very select doctors that I have done
some client interactions with and some consulting for that I know already
resonate with this, get it, have an affinity for thinking in this paradigm
and we’ll get them really trained and endorsed so that people know that we
exist and can go to see them so that
scalability is working its way and hopefully will be up and running by the
late Fall ….. I was going to start with ten I have such a huge
waiting list of doctors interested in doing this training I might exceed that
in the first go but I’m hoping to offer that sort of four month intensive, twice a
year. That is now segueing into the next state of things is that right now you
have to patchwork together all of this information you have to go here to run
this test oh but this doctor want order that test so you over here to run this
test oh but that you know so you have to let go to nine different places to get
your labs run and you have to find the nutritionist and you have to find the
open minded surgeon or the open minded integrative oncologist I mean it’s right
now it’s like hodgepodge it’s like a quilt that we’re trying to patch work
together with a little bit of bubblegum and duct tape there is not a place on
the planet where everything that I’ve learned that everything I’ve seen can be
incredibly impactful for patients under one roof….
and my patients who can access the majority of these items they have to
piecemeal it together and pay for it dearly okay and have another resource
and support at home to help them do this is not for the faint of heart and it is
not made available for everybody so the next step of this is to create which I
have partnered with an amazing core group of individuals that are very in
alignment with my work with my own personal journey as well as my vision to
have a private hospital, Research Institute, where all of this
will be done under the guise of a bench to the bedside to the bench and a bench
to the bedside research institution data-driven metric collected where we
can actually show very much in real time and with artificial intelligence as well
as good data and lots of testing from tissue blood biopsies to laboratory
assessments to environmental exposures and ACE scores, everything under one roof and all the different providers and all the different testing and all the different
diagnostic equipment and all the different modalities referring from
standard of care treatments but done differently so for instance we will be
offering chemotherapy but it’ll be metronomic fractionated and it will be
geared precisely to the patients based on their tumor profile not just you got
breast cancer this is the cocktail you get and move on get on the assembly line
and move through that goes away we’re in the era of precision medicine and we
need to take advantage of it and we’re just at the tip of the iceberg
and so this facility we hope will be up and running within the next three years
and we’re just now in the in the phase of gathering the funds to make it happen
the interest is there the experts are there the knowledge is there the testing
is there all of that is there this needs to be brought under one roof and I’m
very excited that this is frankly my lifelong dream this is what I came here
to do. Oh that is so exciting Nasha, oh my goodness, oh my gosh this is happening we just made the announcement at the believe a annual dinner, and if you
go to the BelieveBig.org site if you kind of scroll down you’ll see a little
one and a half minute video about the vision of where we’re hoping to go
they’ll be more coming out here in the next few few months as well as we start
to meet with potential investors to watch this oh yay
oh that’s so great oh so this has been so amazing thank you I always close with
three questions for my health heroes and so the question number one is if you
could have a superpower what would it be gosh let’s see here so I think what I
see a need for the most out there which I would love to have the superpower
because I have the superpower within me, let’s put it that way… but I’d like to be able
to impart it on others which is sort of like the human version of Ganesh the
remover of obstacles okay and that superpower specifically to me would be
about removing the obstacles of our own self doubt and self limitation and the
cloak of fear that will push us to make really poor decisions for our self so
I’d like to be the obstacle of you know to IDI superhero power removal of the
obstacle of cure concept I think would be a very powerful one to be because
that’s where I see folks get hung up and their self limiting belief systems oh I
love it okay the second question if you could transform anything in global
health whether it’s human or planetary what would it be
that’s super easy prevention prevention prevention prevention is the only cure
period okay and I that’s the place where we look at the concept of test assess
address look inside your bucket it don’t wait until you’re sick to look inside
the bucket constantly evaluating what you’re putting on in and around you and
changing it up before it’s a problem and I think you might have answered number
three here but if you could give the listener with any advice to support
their health it’s a little bit of wisdom what would that be I would just want
them to remember and I’ve said this a lot that I think it’s always worth
repeating is that you are far more powerful than you’ve been led to believe
that is so beautiful, Nasha, I love you thank you so much and I already have the
caricature that I’m gonna you’re gonna be the Caner Ninja, I tell you that…I like it well good luck with everything I know
you’re gonna rock it and it’s been such an honor to chat with you today okay bye
my goodness wasn’t that awesome I love Nasha her warmth her knowledge
she’s like a walking encyclopedia you just want to like massage her brain
she’s so incredible and she’s so lovely and I really hope you enjoyed this if
you want to follow Nasha you can go to her Instagram page dr. Nasha, NASHA
Winters with an S at the end WINTERS and also on Facebook the same name dr.
Nasha Winters she is phenomenal and I can’t wait to see where she’s going now
you can of course get her book which has been translated in multiple languages
it’s on audible it is so worth it so well-written and I know there’s more
books to come she is making such an impact she is a true health hero and
speaking of health heroes if you have a health hero that you would like me to
interview or would like me to spotlight on this channel because we are building
this rebel force of phenomenal brainiacs who are making a huge impact on our
health because medicine of the people should be available all this knowledge
should be available and we want to make a dent in this health crisis that we are
experiencing and so thank you so much for being part of this and comment below
share this video because Nasha is one of those lights that is so bright and I
want to share her with the world so share it with everybody you know and
let’s see how we can make a difference in this cancer epidemic and this health
epidemic of our country and our world and I can’t wait to see you next time
bye

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