Taking Charge of Your Health

everyone and welcome to this week’s edition of Objective: Health. My name is Elliot. I’m your host today and joining me in the
studio is Doug. Hey Doug. Hey Elliot. Listeners are going to be very pleased to
hear that we have another guest this week, a very special guest. His name is Dr. Jeremy Ayres. Jeremy Ayres is a doctor of osteopathy and
naturopathic consultant. He’s also a senior practitioner of physical
medicine. He believes in the noun definition of doctor,
which means teacher and educator. For more than 29 years Dr. Jeremy has helped
many thousands around the world, often from so-called “incurable” disease to become vibrantly
well and pain-free. His own wife, before he met her, was diagnosed
terminally ill and six years on and now husband and wife, is vibrantly well and cancer-free. His regular broadcasts, lectures and blog
are widely acclaimed and he is a sought-after guest on numerous internet, TV and radio shows. So Dr. Jeremy, we are very pleased to have
you on the show today. Welcome. Well I’m very honoured to be here. When people read that kind of bio I think
they’ll go, “That guy sounds interesting. I hope I live up to it.” So Jeremy, you’re a doctor of osteopathy. I’ve seen what you’ve written in the past. I’ve listened to your interviews and I’ve
seen you here and there and it seems that your body of knowledge spans way beyond osteopathy. It’s in many different fields so it seems
that you know a lot about nutrition but then also many other factors involved in healing. What initially drew you to your profession,
first of all? Then what kind of spurred you on to step outside
of the boundaries of that as well? Well it’s an interesting story that actually
started around about 12 years old. I realize that’s where my story was beginning,
but around 11 or 12 – and I had no intentions of going down this route at all – I came from
a building family and was set to go into the family building career and what have you. But my brother’s wife’s mother was diagnosed
with breast cancer and went on to actually pass and of course my brother wife was extremely
upset and everyone was including her husband. There was a lot of anger, understandably. I was very young remember, but there was a
lot of anger and she said one thing that really, really just stuck in my mind. She actually said “How can there be a god
that would take my mother from me because she was a lovely, lovely woman and loved by
her husband?” It just struck me so deeply, that sentiment,
because I was just young, went to school, introduced to aspects of god and how the world
is supposed to be, without knowing anything. But I thought, “What a fantastic question!” If there is such a deity at that point, could
allow such horrific suffering and things to happen and it never really went away. It kind of just fibrillated in the back of
my mind, but not much more. In my early 20s and late teens, I was an international
athlete. I represented Great Britain in canoeing and
it was coming up to the Olympic year and it was my first chance at really going to the
games. This is all going to tie in with what I just
said. My first chance going to the Olympic games. I didn’t actually. Halfway through that year of extensive training
– and I’m not a natural competitor – I just stuck in it for years and got to the top,
but there’s people out there, if they lose they’re like, “Well I’m going to kill you
next time.” I wasn’t. If you beat me I was like, “Well done! Jeez you’re good!” And that’s really not the right attitude to
have and also it used to have me permanently in the bathroom before a competition because
I was just so petrified and nervous. So I wasn’t well-suited to these things. But anyway, it came to getting on in that
particular athletic year and I was in a four-man boat and we were the fastest in the country
at that time. I was hurt badly and realized that many illnesses
and dis-ease, which is how I differentiate it from disease, but dis-ease is actually
a blessing in disguise and that may have shocked some people at the time, particularly if they’ve
lost people. But it truly is or has the potential to be
a blessing in disguise. I hurt my back very badly and I couldn’t stay
in the boat so I left the boat and all I knew was I didn’t like doctors at all. I that’s a fairly common thing actually and
I didn’t know what osteopathy was but there was this portly chap, not very healthy looking,
that was on the squadders, an osteopath, and he would charge us next to nothing to go and
see him. So I thought I’d venture down there to see
him. He had a very busy clinic with lots of students
in there and he took me in with no explanation and this east German woman who had more facial
hair that me at the time [laughter] and larger muscles then went on to torture me. I’d like to say massage, but it tortured me
and I was too English to complain. So I’m lying there thinking “What the hell’s
going on here!?” After about 20 minutes of torture, which is
not how it should be by the way, but anyway, incomes this portly chap, puts me into what
I thought was a pseudo-sexual position at the time, no explanation [laughter] and after
the shock of being traumatized by the east German man – I mean woman – he adjusted me
and the pain practically vanished! Eighty percent gone! And that was it. That was it. I was just absolutely blown away that the
pain was so reduced under these conditions. And that was it. I just knew I couldn’t do anything else but
this and I had to learn it. I didn’t have the right education and no one
believed I could do it and everyone thought I was crazy to start it, but I knew, I just
knew, this is what I have to do. So I managed to get myself into what was supposed
to be the best osteopathic college in London at the time, by hook or by crook. I now think they just wanted my money. But anyway, I got myself on the course and
after about a year sitting there, I was bored out of my brains which was a bit of a disappointment
and I was sitting next to this northern chap who’s a great osteopath now, and he was everything
I didn’t really like. He was a bigot, a racist. He just upset everybody and he enjoyed the
process and I couldn’t understand why I liked him because it just wasn’t usual for me. One day he just turned round and said, “This
is crap, isn’t it?” And I was like whoa! My god! I’m not the only one. He told me that his father who trained under
a great man called Harry Hawes who’s now long passed, was starting a course again in osteopathy
outside of Durham in a place called Oshamore College which was a bit like a Hammer House
of Horror movie set. Elliot, you’ve probably don’t know what I’m
talking about but anyone who remembers the old Hammer House of Horror, it was all these
old gray buildings and mist and it was terrible. So I sent up north and walked into what is
a Catholic priest training school with lots of very large paintings of frightened choir
boys and dodgy looking priests [laughter] and into this room where the equipment was
second-hand, ripped and very bad and I met Harry and within 10 minutes of Harry talking
– he was in his 70s at that point – you knew you were in the presence of a master, not
that he would have accepted those terms at all. He was a very humble chap. But he was absolutely a healer and I don’t
care if that is a non-scientific term for people out there. He was absolutely brilliant. Why he was brilliant was not just because
of his technical ability and his knowledge, but his empathy for human beings and suffering
and pain and he genuinely cared for people, as did his lovely wife. And so I was very fortunate that he took me
very much under his wing. In fact he came up to me one day and said
“You’ve got it!” which was very intimidating at the time but I needed to hear it as well. But anyway, he took me under his wing and
I trained to become an osteopath which I became. He was very anti-establishment and all of
this stuff because he could see that mostly it was run by people who were just lining
their own pockets and had other agendas, very ahead of his time, really for back then. By the time I came out of that, this fibrillation
of a memory with my brother’s wife’s was just building and building in me and it sparked
this incredible interest because he had healed so many things that technically he shouldn’t
have really been dealing with. So I wanted to know. in fact, probably very arrogantly probably
at the time I thought, “I want to know what causes cancer and what heals cancer” and all
these sort of things. If I look back, I was either stupid or arrogant,
I don’t know what, but that’s what I put out there. And I was intent to find out. I’ll just finish very quickly how I got onto
my second mentor. There was an osteopath at conference weekend
and I got very drunk. It was fantastic! This woman the next day, called Barbara Wren,
who was my second mentor and a real genius who’s been hounded into hiding in her 80s
now because she’s so good and that’s what we do when someone’s very good, we make sure
they disappear and run away and hide. But I heard about this woman who was going
to be talking for two hours on water and disease and I thought, “How the hell can anyone talk
for two hours on water?!” So anyway, I walked in the next morning with
a hangover, about 15 minutes late, these double doors were like a bad western movie. The doors opened. She stopped. They stopped. They all looked at me. I’m sure I looked like crap actually. But I walked to the middle and sat down and
within 15 minutes my jaw was on the floor as this woman started to describe the inner
aspects of what causes dis-ease. It’s very, very important that we get that
in there. I was just absolutely mesmerized by what she
was saying and what she’d done and I was very fortunate that she allowed me to come and
live in the same town as her and study with her and teaching at her college and spend
a lot of time with her. She is a genius, because she’s still alive,
and she’s absolutely brilliant. And then from there it’s just been 25 years
of research, research, research – and we can talk about that in a minute – because when
you actually go down these routes, you find what you weren’t expecting to find, which
is just about everything that people think was right is upside down and wrong and that’s
not a very popular place to start working from. But it’s pretty much how it is. With osteopathy in the UK, I know a couple
of osteopaths and what they’ve told me anyway is there’s a witch hunt going on at the moment. I know that you’ve only just moved back to
the UK, but there’s a witch hunt. So essentially what the regulatory bodies
are trying to do is trying to force them into musculoskeletal problems only. That is at odds with Taylor Still’s original
philosophy, no? So osteopathy as a healing system, applied
like a whole health care system, is being shunted out. So have you noticed that, through making recommendations
that aren’t simply in the realm of osteopathy but actually healing in terms of everything
to do with someone’s lifestyle? Have you found that you’ve had any problems
from up top? Has anyone told you to step back in line so
to speak? Well you’re not shying away from the big questions
are you? [laughter] Which I’m really pleased about. You can see how Harry was right, how I mentioned
he didn’t like the authorities and regulations. You’d think we’re in the time of information
but we’re actually in the time of misinformation. If you want to stay away from what many would
think were conspiratorial, which they’re not, but if you want to stay away from that and
just keep it more at a level that most people would probably understand and accept, modern
medicine is a business model. That’s what it is. It is an absolutely huge business and if you
actually look into the real history of where it has stemmed from, you’ll start to see that
it was a very, very deliberate business plan, executed absolutely brilliantly and they don’t
like competition. The knowledge that some of these amazing people
have out there, basically gets people off of drugs most of the time or it means that
they no longer need to go and see a general practitioner or general poisoner I generally
call them. They’re not needed anymore. This is very, very dangerous. So what has happened is they are the so-called
authorities meant to be working in your best interests, at least that’s what most people
would think, are not working in your best interest. They’re putting more and more and more pressure
on people. Hence, why I want to get away from labels
because if you’re recognized as an osteopath they want to put you in this box. Well you’re a human being actually. You’re not an osteopath. You’re a human being with a certain amount
of knowledge and anyone who works in any field of helping people to recover their health
or from pain, usually their knowledge expands out and they start to see other aspects that
they want to share. Most of those people genuinely want to see
people get well. Barbara Wren, who is one of the most brilliant
people I’ve ever had the pleasure to work and study with and seeing what she can do,
the BBC went in and secretly filmed her when she was lecturing. Actually I know the lecture very well. So what they did was cherry pick some sound
bytes and put it all together and made her look like a raving lunatic and then a gorilla
stormed her on the street. The woman was 76 or something then – she’s
bright as a button – but just totally made her look for the tele-lie-vision, absolutely
like a mad woman and most people sitting there would accept it. You know what? If you put someone like Barbara Wren in charge
of one hospital for one year you’d have a very, very different outcome, positively in
a year’s time and that’s the truth, that she’s competition. That’s what we’re dealing with incredibly,
because with the internet now they’re foolish because you can’t stop this information. It’s why we do this by the way, to share this
and get it out. You can’t stop this information and the people
that I respect most, actually have usually been sick, whether that be the mothers of
autistic children who I do a lot of work with or someone with the disease commonly known
as cancer because that’s their language by the way. You can’t even use that word in England. “That’s my word, not yours. You can’t use it.” From Phil Escott who you interviewed recently
who healed himself of rheumatoid arthritis which is absolutely unheard of and in the
rheumatoid arthritis groups they kick him out because he dares say he’s healed himself
of rheumatoid arthritis. However, there are great people out there
searching for the answers because the doctors, most of which really have gone into it for
a career rather than a vocation – there are very good doctors out there but they’re few
and far between, in my experience – are failing people in what we would understand as health,
which is not necessarily just the absence of dis-ease or symptoms. It’s many levels of what we would call good
health. Just incidentally Jeremy, if you did want
to get conspiratorial, we’re totally okay with that. Okay. I’ll actually address that in a more broad
manner Doug, if you don’t mind. You are probably aware that the CIA coined
the term after the JFK assassination because people were discussing the authenticity and
accuracy of the information being fed to them and to stop that they came up with “conspiracy
think” or “conspiracy theory” and it was very effective. So it’s being used now with all manner of
topics to just throw people off the scent. But a conspiracy, if we’re going to be accurate,
basically conspiracy theory is a theory, that something is not as you’ve been told. Once you’ve got some credible information,
arguably even facts, it becomes a conspiracy possibility. When it is inundated with information and
facts and resources, it’s a bloody conspiracy! And we live in a world absolutely full of
them under the guise of corporate control. If anybody is listening to this and they think,
“Oh god, I thought this guy would be interesting but he’s a nutter”, you need to go onto YouTube
and watch, for example, a very long documentary, I believe it’s called The Century of the Self
which is a documentary by I think it was Freud’s nephew. I may be wrong on that. But one of the great psychiatrists. I’s sure it was Freud’s nephew. He was employed to advise corporations and
advertising, and that would include the governments and things, on how to make you want what you
don’t want, accept what you wouldn’t accept and need what you don’t need without you knowing
it. Anyone who’s done any research into marketing
and advertising knows it’s psychology and on and on it goes. This actually ties in to what I do. People are in dis-ease whether they know it
or not because for me, dis-ease at the very core is a frequency of truth and we are living
in a world of such immense deception that unless you know this or have some idea of
it, you will think people like me are complete quacks and mad and nutters and what have you. But as you well know, there’s a massive growing
body of people that are aware of the lies. You asked me about my research. Once you start going down the realms I did,
you start to realize very, very quickly that just about everything you thought was correct
is upside down. Yeah. And if you do multiple choice or slip a coin
you’re going to get heads as often as you get tails if you do it long enough. So it can’t be by chance that everything is
upside down. So that is the world you walk into and if
I didn’t walk into that world I’d be a lot richer right now. But for me and many others, really the motivation
is truth. It’s honour. It still means something to people, and integrity
and wanting to help their fellow man. Unfortunately some of the great people I work
with are nearly penniless trying to do this. It’s just so upside down. If you want to sell out, you can make a lot
of money but if you want to be in these realms, you’re just basically opening yourself to
many troubles. However, within those troubles we’ve helped
to heal. This is very important. I’ve never healed or cured anyone and anyone
who says they do, they’re done. What I have done is that I have the ability
– much of it began with Barbara Wren teaching me how to do a case history – be able to see
the levels of dis-ease, the levels of stress. These can be physical, chemical, toxic, emotional,
mental, spiritual, so on and so forth – be able to see those and see what this human
body which is a vessel that we occupy, has tried to do to remedy it. So once we see those levels, if someone has
come to me with a label, “I have this” or “I have that”, most of the time I have to
go look up these bloody labels because there’s so many of them now and I need to know the
symptoms. But once we’ve got all that down and in the
time frame that it happened, it presents this beautiful clear picture of what the body’s
been trying to do because I’m telling you right now, your body doesn’t know how to work
against you. It’s just not made that way! So it’s always trying to preserve life and
once you have these factors and you can see the picture, you can give it back to that
human being. I don’t want to say person because you probably
know what a person is, but that human being. You give it back to that human being and I
do it very deliberately because I’m getting away from that label that they’ve been given
which has filled them with fear and also you start getting on Google and every time Google
comes up you’re dead or you’re dying or you’re going to die. So we remove the fear and when you remove
the fear or begin to remove the fear, then things open. When they’re in fear, they’re contracted and
once they’re open, they have a chance for the light to come in and this is what happens. They start to do things which is remove the
stresses and the body knows how to heal itself. So I’ve never cured anyone. I’ve never healed anyone but I’ve helped thousand
and thousands heal themselves. Yes I’ve been involved in the process physically
as well, but that’s the truth of it. This is an absolutely fascinating kind of
take on things especially for those of us who tend toward looking at things mechanistically. It’s very easy to fall into the mechanistic
standpoint whereby human beings are merely machines, we are biological machines that
can be tweaked using various chemicals and whatnot and that if you get the chemical composition
of a cell right then essentially, everything will fall into place. But what I personally find is that that doesn’t
work. No. As I’m sure you know. So actually taking a position which factors
in human beings as living things I think is fascinating. You were saying before about how a lot of
what we’re told or a lot of what we’re taught is actually upside down and in regards to
health, what might that mean? If our listeners are wondering “What does
he mean by that?”, what have you found works really well in actually helping people to
heal but which is considered … Whacky. …perhaps the opposite, yeah, kind of whacky? It doesn’t matter. People who get involved just in functional
medicine or biochemical medicine will soon find out – I’m involved in groups – you will
find out there’s people who do everything right and they don’t get well. They may improve, but they’re not getting
well so there must be other factors. One of my favourite movies is Blade Runner. I’ve watched it so many times. I see more in it every time and definitely
people are switching off, “Oh my god! Blade Runner! I’m out of here!” [laughter] No, it was the best! It was the best, right? And one of the lines I like the most is when
Harrison Ford says, “How can they not know what they are?” So let’s start from that. This world has been made on purpose the way
it is to keep you in busyness and arguably as an energetic slave. Now I use the word slave very deliberately
and anyone who knows who I’m talking about will say “Oh yeah, he knows what he’s talking
about.” An energetic slave. You’re born into a world and you are in a
system that’s very well set up to program you into being another good little robot and
get a good education, although my idea of what education is, is very different, and
into the system and work and pay taxes and get married have children, de-de-de-de-de. Okay? That’s not how it was supposed to be and that’s
not how it was. Now I’ve worked with aboriginal, I’ve worked
with the Maori, I’ve worked with North American Indians and several others. They think we’re nuts for not recognizing
our ancestors and the spiritual side and that that world exists. I’ve spoken to Masai. They look and laugh at us. So if you don’t recognize from the get-go
that this is flesh and if you’re into quantum physic you argue that it’s not even solid,
but for purposes of this, this is flesh and something enters it that drives it, commonly
called the soul or spirit or whatever you’re comfortable with. Now the Hindus did a lot of work at the end
of life where they’re weighing people in hammocks and at the moment of death, definite weight
is lost. So something leaves that had weight or matter. And of course in the old days we’d use the
words “they have passed” because they would recognize something has left the flesh and
what is left may look like their dad or their mom or what have you, but life has left. At the other end there’s a video which I’ve
never been able to find again where somehow they filmed what they believe is when the
soul or spirit enters into the human being and what is very, very interesting was that
the blood starts to flow before the hear starts to beat, okay? Now if you’re not starting your body of knowledge
in realms of health with the understanding and respect that something from another realm
or dimension or whatever words you mean – no one really knows, as I know – but something
entered that is you and brings life. And if you don’t recognize that the parting,
that something has left then in between you ignore all of that and you are just flesh
and you’re here to work and you’re not. You’re here to love and to create and to explore
and I would argue, actually you’re here to be a physical beacon of light and when you
find people that are truly alive, they resonate light! They literally glow and they light the way
for all of us. They pull us up. We want to be more like them. So when you find someone in dis-ease, normally
their frequency, their vibration, their energy is very low and when you start to go into
a case history and you create a space where they can actually talk to you, rather than
just give you what they think you want to hear, you start to hear things like great
trauma or they’re in a job they hate. They might be brilliant in it but they hate
it. I had a very, very wealthy man with a great
problem and the company was killing him. I said to him, “If you don’t change what you’re
doing you’re going to have the best funeral anyone’s ever been to because you can afford
it.” That hit him like a ton of bricks because
he needed that. We can go on for hours, but unless you recognize
that people have a divinity or a purpose or something in there – I hate the world spiritual,
but a spiritual aspect, I think it’s probably multi-dimensional – but if you don’t recognize
that, then when they get sick, you’re not looking at the levels that go beyond that. How far are they off being true to themselves? How far are they off from who they really
are that the physical diseases manifested to stop them, as it did for my wife because
she was in corporate Canada? Really she’s an artist and what the cancer
did was stop her because it stops you, okay? And now she’s doing what she should be doing,
which is creating. So for me, these things are fundamental. Otherwise, if we just do the biochemical functional
adjustments to allow the blood, lymph and nerve flow, all we’re doing is making healthier
slaves. I’m not really interested in that. Does that help? Yeah! Very interesting. I’m assuming I know the answer to this, but
have you found that this is essentially the game-changer in your experience? For instance, someone might recommend exactly
the same protocol, let’s say, with the same sort of support, the same dietary template,
the same kind of lifestyle changes, but without that connection, without that deeper investigation
that you’re talking about, do you find that that is one of the things which really halts
someone’s healing? I think you just said that you did but I’m
going to ask the question again. [laughter] Is that the game-changer essentially? Yes, well it depends how far people want to
go. There are people of course, that will just
change to the carnivore diet, for example, or a paleo ketogenic diet and enough will
change. The inflammation will go. The gut will heal and enough will change that
they’re very happy with that and they’ll get on with their lives and that’s absolutely
fine. But that’s not the people who come and see
me. Usually – and it’s still, I’m sad to say – usually
the people who come to see me have been everywhere else and usually everything that’s happened
has actually made it worse. So when I work with someone, particularly
if they’re very unwell, what I find is, if we’ve understood it correctly and we start
to remove – as Phil Escott says the subtraction – we start to take away the stresses that
have been put on their body such as inflammatory foods and toxic chemicals – but as we start
to take those away and their body starts to heal, what I find usually within four to eight
weeks, depending on people, is the more mental/emotional starts to come up and you start to see that
they’re not happy at all in who they are or what they’re doing. Some people are way down the line. I’m getting younger and younger people. It’s great. Some people have lived a life in oppressive
marriages or oppressive jobs even as they’ve done well in them and they’re lost. I help a lot of nurses, for example. I’ve only had two doctors in 30 years and
they didn’t do what I said. [laughter] But lots of nurses come and see
me and they tell me that in the hospitals they’re having to have secret conversations
amongst themselves so that a) they don’t get fired and b) they’re so frustrated because
they’re listening to things like this and they want to implement them into the hospitals,
but they’ll get fired. So they’re getting sick because they’ve learned
enough that they’re now seeing they have purpose and it’s exciting them. They want to be real nurses – and I have a
different definition of that – and they’re getting sick because they’re going to work,
they’re known as a nurse, they get paid to be a nurse, everyone wants them to be a nurse,
they’re probably a good nurse, but now they’re really struggling to stick that needle into
someone or give them this drug that they know is toxic and they’ve seen with different eyes. So if you have someone like that, pretty much
if you’re going to help that kind of person, they normally leave nursing or evolve into
a different area of nursing where they can bring this more complete way of helping people. I don’t know if that answers your question. It’s absolutely fascinating, what you’re saying. It’s in line with something else that you
speak about; how sometimes the symptoms are like a form of communication, something underlying
and it could be biochemical or it could be, as you’re saying, related to their lifestyle,
anything, It could be underlying trauma that’s not dealt with or something, is actually manifesting
as a physical symptom. Absolutely! And you’ve spoken about suppressing that. So what do you think happens when you take
a corticosteroid, let’s say hypothetically, someone’s skin is raging and actually it may
be, from a naturopathic perspective, from the kind of thing that you’re talking about,
it could be some form of communication going on there, trying to communicate to the body
that something is not right. If you take a steroid to suppress that, what
do you think kind of happens on an informational level? They’re excellent questions and you have to
go back to foundational roots. So if you’re starting from a point of view
and an understanding, as I have and that Barbara Wren gave me, the body doesn’t know how to
work against you. You wouldn’t be looking at that skin in the
same way as a dermatologist in the very first instance. So a dermatologist is going to look at it
– and there’s never been a skin condition I have haven’t been able to resolve by the
way – but the dermatologist will look at it and say, “Well you need steroids and you need
to apply…” – and I started with eczema by the way. It’s another one of my things because I wasn’t
breast fed, got given this crappy formula milk and as I know, it’s really a gut/liver
problem and the liver’s not coping and it starts to use the skin to excrete it which
is the largest organ of excretion. So we would look at it immediately as “What
is the body trying to do and why?” And that’s always where we start. So if someone’s skin is raging, unfortunately
they’ve usually been to the doctors many, many times and done every kind of suppressing
lotion and cream and medication. Let’s look at what actually happens. So if it is true – and I’ll put the ‘if’ – so
if you can take away that they haven’t been dermatologically irritated by some chemical
or irritant and you can get that out of the picture, what you need to be looking at is,
well if it is using the skin which is the largest organ of excretion and as in the Chinese
or Asian philosophy, they look at it as the third kidney. So if somebody has very bad kidneys for example,
they will use the skin to take pressure off the kidneys, infrared saunas, getting them
sweating, that sort of thing. But if it is and you go and put some very
toxic drug or lotion on and stop it and it appears to be improved, what you’ve actually
done is you’ve pushed it, you’ve stopped it excreting, you’ve pushed it in and it will
go deeper and in and up. There’s something called the Hering’s law
of cure which is homeopathic. In Hering’s law of cure the dis-ease – it’s
very important that we differentiate these words – the dis-ease will leave head-down
because the body wants to protect the brain, and in masse mental illness, people are very,
very toxic, very sick, very nutritionally deficient when it gets up to that level – but
the dis-ease will leave from the head down, move from major organ which keeps you alive,
to minor organ – this is the process of healing – from inside out and in the reverse order
in which it came. That’s why we do a case history. It’s very often you can see them re-visiting
things that they had in the past as they heal. So if you flip that, I call it Dr. Jeremy’s
rule of getting sick really, which is if you suppress the skin, it will very often go to
the lungs. So when people have eczema, it’s just a label. Eczema doesn’t exist. For people out there with terrible eczema,
yes it does. No, it’s described as this and called that. That’s what I’m saying. But if you had eczema and you used steroid
creams, which was used on me and many, many people that come to me, normally it moves
into the lungs. So they start to get allergies or asthma. You can escape that entirely but if it moves
to the lungs and you keep suppressing that with inhalers or antihistamines, it then tends
to go to the mind. For example, at 13 I was very depressed. I didn’t know why I was depressed at 13, but
I’d been on steroids for many, many years and you’ll see this all the time. So you see this movement of dis-ease going
in and deeper and when people come to see me, very often they’ve got to a state where
they’ve got almost no energy, they’re very depressed, they very often have very bad thoughts,
they have lots of anger usually, they’ve got all kinds of nebulous problems going on and
if they’ve manifested any kind of growth or anything of course they’re focused on that. They’re in a very high state of fear. So when you operate from a foundation that
the body doesn’t know how to work against you and you’re looking at ‘how did it get
to this state’, you would never see someone come in with a horrendous skin problem and
start with “well let’s just try and clear her skin up and make it look better”. And by the way, ask pretty much anyone who’s
had a skin problem, when they put these creams on, what normally happens is it appears to
go away and then it spreads and it makes perfect sense why it spreads because you’re blocking
the ability for it to come out so it has to go somewhere else and that’s almost always
the case, for example with skin conditions. It throws a whole new light on how medicine
is practiced today and how fundamentally wrong it is in so many ways, or let’s say how fundamentally
at odds it is with more traditional, intuitive methods of healing which have worked for thousands
of years. It’s like we came along and we said, “We’re
going to scrap everything that we’ve been working from and take this whole new model”
and look where it’s gotten to. Our health, people are in a mess. Good business. Yeah. Indeed, indeed. I state it cynically, but ask anyone in any
country, as I always do, in the last 50 years, have the people of your country – and I’ve
lived in many countries – gotten sicker or healthier? Everybody knows the answer. Not just sicker, much sicker. Now in the days where investigative journalism
was revered, the basic rule was follow the money. Now if you follow the money, you will see,
the top five or 10 – I think it’s top five, at least it was in something like 2012 – the
top 10 pharmaceutical companies on the Fortune 500, their combined profits are greater than
the other 490 corporations. They celebrate. I’ve seen the videos. They don’t hide it. They celebrate that they make 70% of their
money from cancer medicine or the cancer treatment. So what have we seen a dramatic increase in
pretty much every civilized country around the world? Cancer! And heart disease! Who benefits because it’s not families. They go through tremendous suffering. If we were actually in a world where politicians
actually worked for us, they wouldn’t be standing up saying how many people they’d treated this
year more than last year and everyone applauding them. They’d be standing up saying how few people
we’ve treated this year and they’d be celebrated obviously because they’re that much healthier. But that doesn’t make much money and it’s
more the money, as you well know. I know that you do a lot of work with nutrition
as well. What have you found to work, just on that
front? So whilst you’re dealing with all of these
other factors, building up a relationship with someone, with another human being and
really trying to help them investigate what is exactly going on, help them really try
to resolve that, what kind of factors do you deal with on the practical front? Is there any particular kind of diet that
you will use more often? Is there any kind of lifestyle factors that
you have found particularly beneficial in the people that you work with? The first thing which still amazes me to this
day is one has to start to define food to an ordinary human being now because most people
are not eating food. They’re eating absolute crap and as long as
it tastes good, that’s all that matters. Many people say “I have a balanced diet”. [laughter] Actually they don’t even really
know what it is. Then you have the ones that think they’re
eating healthy, which is normally a plant-based whole food diet. Interestingly, I’ve studied Gerson and if
you don’t know Gerson, Gerson is like 13 juices a day, four coffee enemas and yes there is
a reason people put coffee up their butts if you don’t know. It stimulates the liver and bile flow, just
in case you thought “Oh my god, he said coffee up your butt!” But Gerson was very successful, at least the
father was and not so much now. But about two years ago I had two vegans come
to me at the same time in their late 50s that knew what they were doing because a lot of
vegans out there just eat rubbish as many vegans know. By the way this isn’t about the vegan bash,
it just happens to be a fact. But they came to me and they were extremely
unwell and it was very clear that they were nutritionally deficient. They really knew their stuff. That’s really what started me down a road
that I never expected to walk down, which was – to cut a long story short – it led me
to the ketogenic and then the carnivore diet which, when you first come across these things,
instinctually you just sort of go “What?!” I’ve always used bone broths and what have
you and I knew the whole saturated fat and cholesterol thing was rubbish. You’ve only got to see, since they’ve changed
away from those into these vegetable oils and horrible things and Crisco, how America’s
gone from thin to fat, cancer and heart disease and what have you. But anyway, I came across the paleo ketogenic
and the wonderful Hungarian doctor Zs�fia Clemens and Csaba Toth and the wonderful Phil
Escott and many others that have done just amazing things with either fatty meat or just
an entirely eating meat diet. Once I looked into that it became very clear
that pretty much everything that’s been told about that was wrong and skewed and turns
out supporting big agriculture which support big chemical, which is big pharma and round
and round the merry-go-round we go again and come back to the same place. And here we are, once again, trying to educate
people that are very unwell, particularly autoimmunes and things, that really, the most
healing diet right now is one that is without plants and eating a lot of fatty meat. And as you know, miracles happen quicker than
I’ve ever seen them! Now within that, I don’t like boxes and I
can guarantee you, there are people who will not do well on that and they will do well
on a vegan diet for a while. I followed Gerson getting himself well apparently
and I pleaded with them to consider looking at this and they didn’t because they invested
so much into vegan and raw food and they died. So the fact is this. What I promote is you must listen to your
body and there are people out there that are following to the letter carnivore or paleo
ketogenic or keto, what have you and some of them will eat something that technically
they shouldn’t and they’ll feel good. That is what you should do then! I don’t like these labels and boxes because
what you eat and think today may be different tomorrow or further on and if you start to
listen to your body, it will speak to you, it really will! Obviously sugar and chemicals and processed
food and dah, dah, dah, but once you’ve got to that realm and you’ve cleaned your body
up and you get the taste back, these things don’t taste good anyway. So again, you would be listening to your body. That’s my take on it at the moment, but I
have to say, I have never seen such tremendous physical transformations as the paleom ketogenic
and carnivore diets, the mental/emotional transformations and people can slam it all
they like on YouTube and they can present every scientific study that it’s wrong and
yet these people continue to thrive, mostly. I think what you said there also is such an
important point about not being too strict, not being so regimented, especially if you
are the type of personality who is often very hard on yourself and you cause yourself a
lot of emotional stress doing that. It’s actually causing more psychological stress
to be so regimented, 100% animal products. It may actually be doing more harm than if
you were to just go and eat that orange! Right. Absolutely. Let’s look at that. Someone wrote to me the other day, a lovely
woman, because she’s in the forums, you know, either on Facebook taking selfies, which I
don’t do, or you’re doing something else, or bitching about somebody, or you’re in a
group. I love the CIA-funded Facebook for that because
it’s fantastic! [laughter] I’ve made such wonderful connections, including your good
selves, and some of the best work is going on within those groups. There’s always a few assholes in there, but
it’s really good. The problem with these groups is I could be
researching for the rest of my life and end up more confused. And all of it’s very interesting. This woman wrote to me and she said, “Oh my
god!” because I’d made one comment. I said “just listen to your body because if
you’re not careful you’re going to go off on all these tangents which could take you
down very real rabbit holes and get even more stressed.” Let’s just look at that at a real life situation. A lot of people are looking at the vagus nerve,
for example – at least I have been – of why they’re not healing in spite of doing everything
correctly. The vagus nerve is very much a part of the
autonomous nervous system and the fight or flight and this whole world is set up to keep
you in fear. Fear is the commodity of control. So they want you in fear. Now the vagus nerve controls the digestion
and your lungs and several other things. It is called the wandering nerve. While you’re constantly stressed – and stress
is chemical, mental, emotional, spiritual, all these things – this vagus nerve is stimulated. You’re in the fight or flight mode which has
become normal for most people. They don’t actually know what it is not to
be in it which means your digestion will be different. Physiologically it will be different. So you can’t possibly heal your digestion
or it’s very unlikely I should say, in these states. I’ve got lots of clients that have come to
me that have been following carnivore or following this or following that and they are not well. Phil knows this and he appreciates this very
much. They haven’t gotten better! And they’ve done everything. When you look at their lives, there has been
great stress – bad divorces, in this world, financial is huge, so lots of financial problems
and so on and so forth. In these states it’s very, very difficult
to actually get into that realm where you can start to stop deteriorating and then heal. Again, why I spend enormous time trying to
see the human being because most of them are human doings that come to see me. I need to see the human being. I need to see all the factors. I’m like Billy Connolly and Gordon Ramsay
when I work. There’s laughter and tears but I get to see
the human being. You don’t shower them do you? [laughter] Not like Gordon Ramsay, no, but my sons say
“Oh my god daddy!” But normally it’s laughter or I’m making a
point or getting passionate, as you probably know I do. You just have to go look at my testimonials
page, from the people that have worked with me. They come through as very different people
and they love it. I have to say, sort of converse to that, the
wonderful Dr. Paul Mabry is a wonderful American GP who I’ve got enormous respect for, and
he’s in a private group where we discuss things, pointed out to me, because I’ve been really
quite hard on doctors because I’ve just seen how much damage they’ve done and very often
they don’t see it until they see it. If you don’t understand that, whoever’s listening,
go and watch my two interviews with Valerie Warwick who is an oncology nurse of 18 years
turned whistle blower in America. Until you see what you’re doing, you actually
do genuinely believe you’re doing great work because they don’t see the harm that many
of us have seen. But Dr. Paul Mabry who’s absolutely a wonderful
chap, brilliant doctor, said to me, and he’s actually right of course, “The problem is,
we’re getting all these people coming to see us in this system that they don’t even know
they’re in and they actually don’t care to change. They’re not interested in changing. They want the pain gone or the skin rash gone. So we give them the drugs because that’s what
they want.” Now of course, that’s been created, but when
the drugs don’t work – and the drugs never work in my view, they always suppress it and
make you prolong getting it to work – finally they’ll have to do something and that’s usually
when they end up at my door, which is just not a great place to start with. It’s much easier if we catch them much earlier
on. But I understood the pressures doctors are
under much more. They just want to be given something and they’ve
been programmed for “Give me something Doctor! Doctor knows best. Give me something!” So I have more respect for them and hopefully
they’ll actually start working with us in the near future because as far as I’m concerned,
the world is shifting and it would be much better if we worked together and create true
hospitals which shouldn’t look anything like they do. Oh my god! Go into a hospital when you’re well and you
feel sick. There should be light. It’s an electromagnetic nightmare! It is just the worst place. I had someone in a coma several years ago. His wife contacted me when he was in a coma. His testimony is on my page. I said, “Well look, he’s in the worst possible
place you can be and he’s surrounded by electromagnetic pollution. What I suggest you do is get yourself earthed
and hold his hand so at least it’s discharging and keep spraying him with magnesium and cross
your fingers. He came through enough. He thought I was mad at that point but he
knew he was going to die so he said, “Look, I’d rather die at home. I’ll come home and I’ll talk to this bloke.” When I did a consultation with him he was
on 36 drugs! Wow! Thirty-six! Drugs! As we went through his case, you saw the more
drugs he took, the worse he got until they gave him more drugs, and the worse he got,
and the more drugs, and the worse he got, right? I said to him, “If you think these are actually
helping you, pick any three and give them to your children.” He laughed because how ridiculous is that? He said, “It’ll make them ill!” And I said, “If it’s going to make healthy
children ill, how’s it going to make a sick man well?” And it’s that frickin’ simple! It’s that frickin’ simple! But it’s big business. I’ve never heard it put like that [laughter]
but it makes perfect sense. It really does. Yeah. You only have to use a toddler’s logic, use
common sense and it seems to work. Jeremy, when we were talking before the show,
you mentioned you’ve got something planned for the future, no? Yes. Talking about filming a documentary. Have you got anything that you could tell
us about that? Yeah, absolutely. I’m appearing at a conference in Spain with
Phil Escott and Dr. Paul Mabry and Dr. Zsófia Clemens and the wonderful Graeme Norbury and
Zahir Kahn and organized by the wonderful Dr. Lynn (Hardy), very soon. We’ll be doing another video to get the promo
going but I’ve wanted to do something like this for a very long time. I’m writing a book as well. I’ve been asked to write a book for years. I’m writing a book and I have a publisher. But anyway, we’re getting there. But I knew we had some factors missing. You just kind of know in your gut when you’ve
got some factors missing. I believe we’ve got those now and now because
I’m working with these absolutely wonderful examples of human beings that have tremendous
experience and knowledge and then they’re titles, whether it be doctor or whatever it
is, because they’re human beings first, then a body of knowledge and then we put a label
on them, in that order for me. These are extraordinary people. They’re doing wonderful things. We now can see that this body of knowledge
that I’m beginning to share here with you, also has immediate critics coming in, with
some very good questions. But we have the answers to those. So for example, most people are being told
that cows are actually farting and destroying the planet [laughter] which couldn’t be further
from the truth. Happens to be a bacteria in the soil that
loves cow methane and thrives on it. But anyway, we now know from some of these
great people and true scientists working out there, that actually putting the cattle back
out there onto the land is one of the greatest gifts you can give back to the earth and get
proper development, back to nature again. The roots grow much deeper. It’s just a perfect ecosystem. So we have those people that we want to bring
into the documentary who can give credible information about those things. I want to get the cow whisperer on who is
one of the most famous autistic women on the planet who shows how the abattoirs and all
these things. Like many, I’ve watched the horrific videos
and I’ve gone, “Oh my god! What the hell’s going on here?” Now I realize now there are some big questions
on whether that’s actually deliberately done to get shock value or if it wasn’t done deliberately
and that’s going on, those people need to be stopped! But when you see Temple Grandin, the cow whisperer
– she’s on a whole set of videos – actually the degree of welfare that goes on and brings
these animals to slaughter for our food. Now it’s still going to upset so many people,
I know. But the fact is, it’s extremely thought out
and humane and caring and I forced myself to watch nature, assuming nature kills quickly
and as painlessly and as quickly as possible, lions and carnivores. It’s quite the opposite I found out. It’s horrendous half of the time. Human beings – and remember all our ancestors,
I’ve mentioned the Maori and the aboriginals – all of them hunted and revered the animal’s
spirit. They celebrated it, gave thanks before they
hunted, gave thanks after and recognized this circle of life that most people don’t even
want to consider, that there is something after and before and therefore there’s a cycle. So it put things into a very different perspective. And many more aspects to this documentary. So we’re going to do a promo. We’re going to do a crowd funding. We’ve got people that may help us out individually
as private investors that we’ll go to. Phil and I – our production company is going
to be called Two Naughty Guys because really, we’re just two naughty guys and just laugh
about things very seriously. [laughter] But we hope to do something that
we’re proud of, that our children will be proud of and that will really help to bridge
a gap and help people and this planet that we call home. Fantastic. When you’re closer to sorting that out, it
would be great to get you on again and talk about that. And let us know when you get the promo up
as well. That would be really good to spread the message
and hopefully help you guys out. I should come on with Phil who I just adore. He’s so naughty. If there’s a line you shouldn’t cross, he
jumps over it and keeps running [laughter] and I’m kind of the sensible one. I’m the straight man holding him back. But he is absolutely brilliant. He really is. I adore him because his love for helping others
is rarely found. He’s genuine and many people will attest to
this. He’s absolutely brilliant. He’ll play it down. He is rightfully respected by those who respect
him and he’s very simply naughty and probably needs a spanked bottom nearly every day. [laughter] But I love him and he’s one of
the reasons that I’m back here, to work with him He’s brilliant. Fantastic. Is there anything else? You see clients internationally and I’m guessing
you also see clients in the UK now, now that you’re back. Where can we find your information and things? Well hopefully you’ll have my website on this
podcast. Mostly I send people to the testimonials page
to hear the videos and others so they know I’m not just selling myself. Most of my clients in the last couple of years
– because I left a physical clinic to try and write this book and start doing some documentaries
and things – but most of my clients I do by Zoom and Skype consultations all over the
world. But I am seeing people here. I haven’t got a physical venue so I have to
sort of find somewhere like someone’s home to see them and that sort of stuff at this
point.And that’s okay. But there is something very important I want
to say. There’s a great film called The Lives of Others. It’s a German film. If you haven’t seen it and you are listening
to this, I would love you to go and watch this film even though it’s subtitled and many
people seem to be averse to that. The Lives of Others. It’s a particularly special film to me because
most of my 30 years doing this I’ve lived in immense fear as have most of the people
who do what I do. It shouldn’t be that way. We should be paid very well and supported
and be talking to anyone who wants to talk to us – governments, doctors, surgeons, on
and on and on. And The Lives of Others is about the time
where there was East Germany and West Germany and the Berlin Wall and the secret police
and it’s about these people that were trying to overthrow at the time and this most senior
interrogator was listening to their planning without them knowing. I don’t really want to spoil the movie, but
the point is this. As he listened, he started to be affected
by their compassion, their passion, their compassion, their intent, their goodness I
would say, for humanity. And the worst of the interrogators was being
affected at the human level. Now, if you’re listening to this and for alternate
purposes that are not to benefit humanity, the doctors, the surgeons, the authorities
and so on and so forth, we have a real opportunity in this time with the world being able to
speak. You cannot stop this knowledge that is spreading
and the people’s desire to be free, to live a happy, peaceful life. We don’t want war. We don’t want disease. We want to be prosperous. We know this world is abundant. So I want these people to start to remember
their humanity and to start to work with us. Stop fighting us! Start working with us. We can do amazing things that will pay you
many more times than what you’re being paid in many more ways than just money and that
is what I hope for, if any of my work is ever remembered. Hopefully I live a long life but I want to
bring humanity together and end all these problems that, as you well know, are created
by people whose faces aren’t actually seen in the public domains. It’s time for a much, much better world. And the truth is, it’s so easy to do! It’s so easy. Very well said. I really hope it’s a possibility. I really do. Of course it is Elliot! I think that was probably a great way to end
the show there Jeremy. I want to thank you again for coming on Jeremy. It’s been an absolute pleasure having you
on. Yeah. And listening to everything that you’ve been
talking about, your long range of experience, but also your insight into things which – I’ll
be honest – the majority of people don’t really talk about and don’t factor in and which seem
to be so fundamentally important. I think many people can take a leaf from your
book. I honestly do, especially others who are working
with people who are sick, try our best to really factor these things in. Also for the listeners who are suffering with
any health issues, to try and take what Jeremy said into consideration, how you can try and
factor these things into your life and hopefully aid your healing in that way. So again, it was fantastic. We’re going to have to get you back on again
in the future Jeremy, yeah? You and Phil will come on. I’ll look forward to that. That would be really great. Thank you. That’s the end of the show this week. Thanks to all our listeners. If you like the show or you found it helpful,
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in the near future so keep up to date. That’s all for today folk’s, thanks a lot. See you next week. Bye everybody. Bye everyone, thank you so much.

7 thoughts on “Unlocking the Doors to Natural Healing with Guest Dr. Jeremy Ayres

  1. Excellent interview, guys. Jeremy has such a beautiful perspective, and don’t let him fool you – he’s just as naughty as me. Love you too, Jeremy! 🙂

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